We’re only a few years into the latest generation of gaming consoles, but that hasn’t stopped gamers from speculating about future hardware. Even as the PS4 and Xbox One continue to fly off store shelves, analysts and consumers alike have begun to assume that these could be the last standalone home consoles.

Adding fuel to the fire, one Sony executive seemed to imply to a developer not only that the PlayStation 5 wasn’t in production, but that there might not be a PS5 at all.

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In a recent episode of The Game Informer Show, the writers from Game Informer sat down with game designer Lorne Lanning to discuss the upcoming remake of the classic Oddworld: Abe’s Exoddus, along with several other topics.

Lanning’s a fascinating guy, so the whole interview is worth a listen, but one moment in particular stands out. Near the end of the conversation, Lanning says that he believes VR headset makers are going to begin pumping out new hardware every six months as opposed to the 5-7 year cycle between video game consoles.

He then said that he talked to Shuhei Yoshida, President of Worldwide Studios at Sony Interactive Entertainment, at the DICE event last year, and had the following exchange:

“I said, ‘Well, what does the PlayStation 5 look like?’ And he said, ‘You mean if…’ And I was like, ‘Whoa. Are you willing to say that on stage?’ And he said, ‘Yeah, it’s an if.'”

This conversation took place during a private dinner before the two were going to go on stage for a live interview. Unfortunately, Lanning didn’t have the chance to ask the question on stage, but he completely understood why Yoshida would be hesitant to talk about the PlayStation 5 as if it were a sure thing.

You can listen to the part about the PS5 at around the 45:00 mark below:

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