Apple’s brightest days are apparently behind it and there’s nothing but doom and gloom ahead. So says Oracle CEO and long-time friend to Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, who recently shared his thoughts on the matter with CBS’ Charlie Rose. “Well, we already know. We saw. We conducted the experiment. I mean, it’s been done,” Ellison said. “We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we’re gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs.” Ellison of course is referring to Apple’s fall to the brink of bankruptcy when it ousted Jobs and then its eventual climb to the top of the world after bringing Jobs back in 1996. History, according to Ellison, will now repeat itself. The relevant portion of Ellison’s interview can be watched below.