Another analyst bashes BlackBerry PlayBook

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Research In Motion announced this week that its BlackBerry PlayBook tablet will finally launch next month, thus lighting a fire under several analysts excited to resume their PlayBook bashing. Among them was Stifel analyst Doug Reid, who issued a research note on Wednesday suggesting RIM’s first tablet offering will not deliver on the hype. “First, PlayBook’s lack of basic e-mail and calendar functionality (standalone) immediately gates the device’s addressable market to BlackBerry users, a market of only 55 million,” Reid wrote. He also points to the PlayBook’s lack of a substantial app ecosystem as a barrier, but we already know RIM is working on that. In the end, all of the analyst’s points echoed the countless complaints we’re been hearing for months: the need to tether, the small screen size, the app ecosystem, the fact that it’s late to market, and so on. In the end, we still won’t know until we know — though the PlayBook will certainly shock the majority of analysts and pundits if it sees even the slightest modicum of success at this point.

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  • keymaker

    No native calendar and email app is big FAIL. People want a device that syncs emails and calendar everytime they’re on WiFi. You read and reply to emails while commuting and when you get back home or the office WiFi everyone is sync with out you even noticing it. Having to hop on WiFi to read every email is not MAGICAL at all.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t disagree with the analyst. But I don’t know anyone, even my very few BB using friends that are even remotely excited about this. Even they already own a Xoom/ipad/GalaxyTab, or have plans to get one. To be honest if you can’t even excite your already diminishing fanbase about you biggest development in years, who then is left to care? I can’t see this being anything that will attract new people to RIM, especially if they are invested in apps for another platform already. Don’t mean to bash or anything, just trying to be realistic.

  • QNX Please

    Does the WiFi only iPad sync with the iPhone, or an Android or BlackBerry phone via WiFi giving people access to their email and calendar on the iPad? That’s what I thought.

    The deficiencies for the WiFi only Playbook are the same as the WiFi only iPad. People can still access their email via the internet, just not over the BES or BIS system, unless tethered to a BB. Yet “analysts” are bashing it. I wonder how much they get paid for this BS.

    The lack of apps isn’t an issue because the Playbook will run Android apps.

    • keymaker

      Playbook running Android apps is vapor at the moment. You want a device that downloads and updates emails and calendar on WiFi and be able to access that info anywhere later on the go. iPad does this and the Playbook should do too but Rim is to lazy.

    • Anonymous

      No it’s a fail because you can’t get non BB mail without using it’s Browser. It does not native support any email except through BB. EVERY single tablet out there DOES. That’s where the fail comes in. They say in the FUTURE it will have native email support for non BB, but RIM says FUTURE about everything when everybody else is already doing it. It’s a basic feature.

    • moosebump

      “Does the WiFi only iPad sync with the iPhone, or an Android or BlackBerry phone via WiFi giving people access to their email and calendar on the iPad?”
      But doesn’t iPad support Exchange Activesync just like the iPhone so that you can run the email client?? It doesn’t need to sync with a phone. It needs to sync with your exchange server.

      As an iPhone user, if I buy the PB I am limited to webmail. Right?
      For a non-BB user, why would I want to deal with this and have to wait on an email client that is “coming soon” (along with Android apps).

      Personally, since my next phone will have a 4″+ screen, I don’t think 7″ is a big enough difference so I think a 10″ is more attractive.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t disagree with the analyst. But I don’t know anyone, even my very few BB using friends that are even remotely excited about this. Even they already own a Xoom/ipad/GalaxyTab, or have plans to get one. To be honest if you can’t even excite your already diminishing fanbase about you biggest development in years, who then is left to care? I can’t see this being anything that will attract new people to RIM, especially if they are invested in apps for another platform already. Don’t mean to bash or anything, just trying to be realistic.

  • @j_nathaniel

    I do not know a single person who is interested in this device. That is a very bad sign.

    • QNX Please

      I know plenty, including the company I work for which is ordering one for everyone on their sales team. If you really think RIM didn’t test this with their major corporate clients before roll out you are delusional.

      • Anonymous

        They are loosing market share so fast, their head is spinning. They need to worry about more than just their core group. Our company like many others have stopped using BES or severely lost users to other operating systems that give them identical functionality plus more.

      • King Bass

        I don’t know one company who is considering these devices. Plus who uses a BB anymore???

  • http://twitter.com/TheTigerTek TheTigerTek

    I already pre-ordered on.. I can’t wait till Apr 19th. This is the innovation that people have been waiting for from RIM. The tablet OS with the help of QNX is the start of a dramatic evolution for RIM. I realize there a lot more apps for iOS and Android but PlayBook has a rich web browsing experience. Most of the time apps like FB, CNN etc.. Don’t come close to the website counterpart.

    • moosebump

      “dramatic evolution” = oxymoron.

  • Anonymous

    Why do people wonder about tethering a standalone device? Or am I missing something… you can’t add email clients on two BBs at the same time!?

    • Anonymous

      People want to check their Google/yahoo/MSN/Work emails, not just BES connected Emails.

      • Anonymous

        And it doesn’t support that?

  • Anonymous

    No access to email or Calendar is a deal killer for me.

    • QNX Please

      No it’s not. Just access it with your smartphone, it’s on you all the time anyways. I agree RIM should have found a way to allow access to BES or BIS and your calendar for the WiFi Playbook via a wifi sync or a bluetooth sync, but its coming, and wont be a problem at all for the 4G version out in July.

      • Anonymous

        Yes it is, because people may be sitting at home and using their tab and not want to go get another device, that if they had picked a better one (any of them) they would be able to do this basic function. RIM isn’t marketing this to JUST BB users, it’s supposed to be for all users. You are only considering people that have BB. Since BB is the fastest dropping Manufacturer next to Nokia, it is showing you how out of date RIM is with what people want.

      • QNX Please

        BB sales are increasing as are revenue and profits…. Only market share is dropping because there is much more competition now. But hey keep making up “facts” like Fox News to support your view on the situation.

      • Anonymous

        Not making up facts, stop being a fanboy and open your eyes to reality. Market share is what I was talkign about. Apples market share is fine.. BB lost it all to Android. Follow the markets, not your blind faith in a crappy outdated OS that can’t even provide native support for non BB mail/calendars.

      • QNX Please

        How is the OS outdated? I can do absolutely everything you can on Android and iOS, except WiFi hotspot, which is coming next update. I prefer a physical keyboard over touchscreen because I can type 5 times faster… Is it out dated because I can’t swipe side to side to find apps. You BB haters are hilarious, everything is about how the OS looks, not what the phone can do. Let me know when Apple or Android get real security, data compression or stop dropping calls, even the hakers that hacked the BB at Pwn2Own were only able to get into the media card, no emails, contacts or passwords a 12 year old can get into Apple’s data in under 12 seconds. My fiancee’s HTC Desire drops calls as much as an iPhone and we are on the same network. I’ve drop maybe 2 calls on my Bold 9700, one I was going through a tunnel, so let me know when your awesome phones can actually function as a phone. Smartphones are not gaming devices so I don’t give a shit if I can play angry birds. My phone is for productivity, I have over 1000 contacts on it, and all my work is stored because I can use massage storage mode.. oh right iOS can’t do that, you need itunes to access any kind of data storage, awesome, let me know when your IT department lets you install itunes. I use it for presentations instead of a laptop, it has wireless updates to our works SAP system and salesforce system so I can see anywhere how machines or sales people are doing. What else do I need, a flashy OS or piss poor battery life? no thanks.

      • Anonymous

        ROFL, wow this just goes to show you how little you know about other OS’s and thereby don’t know the limitations of your own. No you CAN”T do everything android can do. Somethign as simple as customization where I can put agenda widgets, mail widgets or whatever, then move them around. Change the look and feel of the icons. with BB you need some STUPID theme builder to rework it in what I can do in 3 seconds. I am the IT Director in our company and very familiar with limitations of BB. There is a reason we have moved over 50 phones OFF BB and onto other OS’s. That security thing you have going on is delusional. I have encrypted security as well along with Remote wipe and phone control.. NOW WHAT!! We haters of BB becasue we know the limitations and hate seeing BB users blinded by their own ignorance. All phones including BB can be hacked, unless your a CIA spy that needs uber encryption, you are just fear mongering. Noone in my company or any of my peers companies have EVER had their phones hacked. Stop fear mongering .

        Mass storage mode?? WTF? I have 40 GB of space on my phone and I can access it ALL. I can install apps to the card and store info no it. WOOT. Now what AGAIN. . You are so out of date its not even funny… just like your phone.

        Dropped calls have NOTHING to do with any type of OS. It’s a carrier thing. I NEVER drop calls. Everyone here also uses their phones as communication devices and not games.

        You are like a child that can’t admit his favorite cartoon isn’t watched by everyone.

        Keep drinking that RIM kool-aid. you probably still think Nokia is a viable company.. pffft

      • QNX Please

        Ooooo widgets… like I said, you are in love with a flashy OS and have your blinders on because of it. I am glad you can turn your wifi on and off with such ease, guess what it takes me 2 key strokes to do it as well. Open mail, guess what.. it takes one button stroke cause its one my homepage, I slide the page sideways to access media apps, woot just like you can, it just looks different.

        I dont BS me about being able to hack into the BB OS, no one has done it, EVER, the first time in history it got hacked was a few weeks ago at pwn2own and that was through the new webkit browser and like I said it they were only able to get into the media storage. If someone finds my phone on the street they can’t access it period without the password. I have remote wipe capabilities as well. As do normal BIS users with BlackBerry Protect that is out now.

        Dropped calls has some to do with the carrier but mostly due to the phone and its antenna design. If you compare a BB to any other phone on the same network, BB will drop far less calls.

        You are a child that is in love with fancy colors, I am in love with functionality and something that actually works. Yes I can do a lot of the same with Android, and I actually like the Android OS, but it doesn’t compare when it comes to actual work. I have used it, and like I said my fiancee has an Android phone, I told her to get it because it best suits her needs. But what I am tired of hearing is your ignorant Android and Apple users claiming BB OS is outdated and cant do anything when it CAN do everything you can do, and then some. Let me know when you get data compression, my work saves thousands by not having data hogs like the iPhone or Android phones.

      • Anonymous

        The widgets allow you access your information instantly with no button presses.

        Keep lying to yourself that your phone can do everything when it can’t. Keep justifying your outdated software and hardware along with your tiny screens, where you have to scroll for EVERYTHING.

        Don’t be a hater just because you made the wrong choice.

        P.S. you BB Browser SUCKS.. it’s the slowest on teh market.. oh until they finally realease their vapor ware, but that would leave out all existing BB users who are stuck with the worst browser on the market

      • QNX Please

        Yes I forgot you have all your widgets on one screen and don’t have to scroll side to side to view them. And yes hitting that button once to pull up information is just so time consuming. lol small screen, big deal I choose the small screen because I want the Bold form factor. If I want a bigger screen I’ll buy a torch.

        You’ve clearly never used the new webkit browser so stop talking, its out now, it has been for half a year. I could post the tests that show its as fast or faster to comparable phones, but you’ll ignore them then show how a some Android phone with a dual core is faster than a Curve 9300 with a 630mhz processor to try and prove your point.

        But your huge Android bias has made you as bad as Apple Fan boys, you hate on BB solely because of how it looks and thats the only thing you can say is outdated is the UI, is Apple’s iOS outdated too because it doesn’t have widgets? I use a BB for the reasons I stated below, I also like Android and have used it, but it doesn’t suit my needs, my BB does, which is why it still sells very well and is still used in the business world because it works best. Remember RIM designs its phones and OS for business first, consumers come second, it has always been this way.

  • Unknown

    Another great reporting by BGR. I know this is partly what you guys want from your viewers so I feel like I am contributing to encourage such trash reporting. I feel its important for people to start thinking for them self rather than people thinking for them. To be fair BGR does do good reporting but we all know they also throw some stuff to get attention and this is one of them. For starters who the hell is this Doug Reid guy? What’s his track record? Analyst are nothing more than people who think they are professional Miss. Celo. Last time I check no one was good predicting the future because things can change. Need more evidence this was simply a fill in story to generate views……look at the title. The article is already negative but BGR tries to stay neutral in reporting the story? Am I the only one that’s confused? How do you use “bashing” and tell me you are being fair. People are absolutely entitle to think what they want about the PlayBook or any other device but please think for yourself rather than using articles that are factually baseless. I know BGR is getting a laugh as this was the intended purpose but I is this really fair to your readers? This article is “trash” and adds no value to your readers rather than promote your personal bias.

  • Hi

    RIM has stated so many times that native PIM apps are coming soon. I don’t understand why everyone is still having a heart attack about that.

    • QNX Please

      Haters will hate, and the tech geeks don’t like BB anymore, because the UI isn’t as flashy as Android or iOS, they don’t have 1.5Ghz processors that mean you have to plug in your phone every 6 hours, and they don’t have as many apps. Other than that BB does everything better and they know it. Battery life, call quality, emailing, data usage, now internet browsing (webkit rocks), and security. Once RIM releases QNX for its phones and puts a 1.5Ghz dual core processor in the hate will go away.

    • Anonymous

      Because they ALWAYS say features are comign soon and it takes them a year. They are notorious for over promising and people are just burned out from it. Especially when EVERY other manufacturer has already had these features for a while that they are considered basic.

      • Anonymous

        For example?

      • Anonymous

        100′s of examples if you can take 5 minutes and google it up… Do some work for yourself. But here is one example. The craptastic BB Storm2 when sold to our company was told it would be updated for OS6 and have the new QNX browser.. that was over a year ago… To this date, the BB’s in our company can’t browse the web faster than making a cup of coffee. There are many many many promises that have been said In the FUture.. but take waayyyyy to long… There is a reason they have lost 20% of their market share. They are stale, old, and slow with real updates.

  • Hi

    Also, RIM stated that it was initially targeted at BES users. I don’t think it takes an analyst to tell you that that would mean it was targeted at existing BB users.

  • Mr. Miyagi

    I wish that you could know a persons age and occupation when reading their posts on forums like this. I am sure it would explain a lot and no doubt put most of these “Apple Fanboy”posts in context.

  • Anonymous

    If they had BBM on playbook as a standalone I would’ve thought of buying it. For now I’ll stick with my iPad 2!

  • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

    If you can run Android apps on a BBPB, including G-mail, who cares if you need a BB to get mail? Sure, it’s nice to have your BB mail with its push notifications and secure servers, but seriously, at the price it’s going to sell for, I don’t see this being an issue with mainstream consumers that want to migrate an email account to their device (assuming the necessity for a BB for mail is only for the BB mail and not third party companies like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.).

  • Anonymous

    Positive expectations or negative expectations, it really doesn’t matter. The Tablet market is just too new and far too small for other devices to even put a dent into what Apple is currently doing.

    Sadly for everyone else getting involved, it just doesn’t matter what you bring to the table.

    • Booboolala2000

      Again, you look retarded with a blanket statement like that. Get back to us at the end of the year.

      • Anonymous

        Again, at the end of the year I will be right. Blanket statement or not doesn’t make it untrue.

  • Tabak8

    You , i mean BGR become fucking fuckfaces when you talk about products other then Apple ShitPad.

  • bbzgr8

    All I can say is that PlayBook is for men…not for iFags

  • Rocker

    Hello, Press Release….PB to run Android App’s…these analysts have no clue….

  • Max

    What did I tell you, BB morons?????

  • Hockey88

    Press Release: RIM Expands Application Ecosystem for BlackBerry PlayBook – ANDROID APPS on PLAYBOOK!!! So much for what this analyst knows– caca!

  • http://twitter.com/homebrandcola homebrandcola

    Clearly most analyst don’t work at companies or organisations were security is a priority. What most people seem to forget is that the PlayBook is the ONLY tablet device that has an EAL rating. I know BlackBerrys aren’t as popular as other devices but where I work, and a lot of other places iOS devices, Android, even old Symbian phones are banded from syncing with their infrastructure, and this doesn’t mean people do it anyway. They are blocked completely.
    The PlayBook has a ready market of Senior Exces who have been told they can’t use an iPad for work. These execs go out and buy one for themselves anyway, then whine they can’t do anything with it because they can’t get the email on it, and they can’t sync their calendar, and they can’t put their documents on it to read. IT Security then beat them up for being an idiot and buying the devices in the first place and tell them to go away.
    I have no doubt Apple will own this market for quite a while to come, and I doubt the PlayBook will ever be as popular as the iOS or Android, but it does have a market.

  • Smartphonefreak

    For the record Zach, tethering for email is only required if you want to use your BES that you already have for your blackberry. If you just want to check your gmail, yahoo, or @zachepstein.com email, well there’s an app for that. Only the famously secure corporate features will require tethering to use them on the playbook. The blackberry serves as part of the authentication.

  • Anonymous

    blah blah blah .. it’ll do fine
    obviously it won’t outsell the ipad,
    or android pads
    but for anyone who stays with RIMM phones
    it’s the natural choice

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