45,000 Verizon workers on strike for second day

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45,000 Verizon employees, or about 25% of the company’s workforce, continued their strike on Monday after the company failed to reach an agreement with labor unions, Bloomberg reported. It is the first strike in 11 years at Verizon and it could end up affecting customers waiting for new phone and web installations or phone support, though Verizon has 40,000 other employees on hand. The Communications Workers of America and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers don’t want to pay monthly premiums on health benefits, but Verizon isn’t quite willing to spend more money on the unions as customers continue to opt for wireless service and internet entertainment in place of phone lines and cable TV. “It is clear that some of the existing contract provisions, negotiated initially when Verizon was under far less competitive pressure, are not in line with the economic realities of business today,” Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam said Sunday. “In fact, under these contracts, benefit costs have risen consistently even as the wireline business has shrunk.” “We’re looking to bring our union more in line with what the rest of the workers pay,” Verizon spokesperson Rich Young said, noting that a majority of Verizon’s employees pay part of their health insurance premiums. International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers manager Bill Huber sees it differently. “These aren’t negotiations, they’re an insult,” he said. “This is a clear attack on our unions.”

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  • Kld2009

    Wow. No one has said this?: Can you hear me now? Gooood. :)

  • sirpaul

    Screw unions.

    • IBEW1

      SCREW YOU JACKASS!!!

      • sirpaul

        ^ Lazy Verizon employee.

      • http://www.droiddoes.com/ Norm

        Unions are for lazy people who can’t get a better job than the one they currently have.  I was in a union for the last year and a half and left that job (and that union) because I wanted more out of life than mediocrity.  Sorry you like being average. 

      • ANdroidblows

        Geez Norm when did mcdonalds start unionizing?

      • Anonymous

        Ya norm we should all be like you and become professional trolls.

    • Anonymous

      I’m in the teamsters so screw you.

  • Anonymous

    Um, you guys do realize these are workers with Verizon Communications, the landline and Fios installers?  None of these workers have anything to do with Verizon Wireless or any cell phone workers…

  • IceMan711

    Wow, I wish I could strike when I had to start paying my own healthcare premiums.  What a bunch of goons, as if their division actually makes any money.

    • Anonymous

      When your company makes a 6 billion dollar profit would you want to be asked to take a pay cut?

      • http://profiles.google.com/judd.edwards Judd Edwards

        Are you fricken serious? Do the math. . .The company continues to pay for the full allowance of your healthcare, when the majority of other workers (Who’s departments turn a profit for the same company) Pay into the system. The fact of the matter is exactly what Lowell said. Landline is shrinking, and becoming less profitable, and you want them to simply continue to pay you as if it were making a profit? Thats R-tarded. I work for Verizon as well. I pay into the system, and I’d rather work in this system than the unions. The wireless side has REFUSED to unionize. Unions don’t do nearly what they say they will. If you want to keep your job, you’ve got to stay competitive. Frankly, I don’t want verizon to pay for 100% of its employee’s health care. Its unfair to ask that of them. I wouldn’t ask my neighbor to do it. My employeer I’m lucky even pays for part of it. THey have an interest in keeping me at work and healthy, and I have an interest in keeping them in business so I can keep getting paid. So if I have to pay into the system for something I NEED, at a lower rate than I’d have to do myself, because my company is willing to work with me. So be it. Stop your belly aching and move on.

      • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

        This includes FiOS, which is certainly not shrinking.  Health benefits are not the only issue here.

      • Anonymous

        I’m not defending the union. I don’t like unions either. I’m defending the workers. If my company wanted me to take a pay cut I’m pretty sure my response would not be “Ok, whatever you guys think is best.” It’s not the employees’ fault that the profits are shrinking. Maybe the company should find an alternate source of revenue rather than attacking their own employees.

      • IceMan711

        Of the $9.6 billion in operating income Verizon recorded in the first half of 2011, 94% of it came from its wireless business.  Their landline operations aren’t making anything.  Not to mention that employee’s salaries are not pegged to a company’s profits in the first place, it is largely irrelevant in the real world.  Considering their proposed compensation packages, your statement starts to looks especially silly.

      • Anonymous

        See my response to @Judd Edwards above.

    • Anonymous

      You could, if your job were unionized…

  • TmoGuy

    I have to pay $150 out of every check for my coverage! Suck it up!

    • Biggles

      Lucky you.  I’m over $300 per paycheck.

  • Sv

    Lazy union workers, what an f’ing surprise.  No wonder America can’t compete anymore.  GG 14 tril debt

    • sirpaul

      And people complain that companies are outsourcing… This is exactly why – nobody wants to deal with a bunch of greedy, lazy unionized workers.

      This shit is why we have tech support in India.

      • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

        Work gets outsourced when there are no decent contracts in place to prevent it.   That is what we are fighting for.

      • Biggles

        No, work gets outsourced when the cost of keeping it in-house becomes too large.  Unions have outlived their usefulness and these days are more of a hindrance to our economy than a help to the workers.  Negotiations go on behind closed doors, often successfully.  When an impasse leads to a strike, more often than not it’s due to the union’s desire to continue to exist in a fantasy land.

    • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

      The debt would be lower if there was still a middle class to pay more taxes.  All talks about Unions aside,  we are seeing a shift to only super rich and super poor.  WIth this setup no one will be paying taxes and the government will continue to bleed funds.  

      • Biggles

        No, the problem is that the rich and poor alike don’t pay nearly the taxes that they should.  While everyone focuses on the rich, truth is the poor are as much to blame because they end up paying nothing near what they suck back out of the social programs.  The middle class gets stuck footing the bill and has to rely on tax breaks which further suppresses the income.  The tax rate in this country should be flattened, period, and the incentives kicked to the curb. That would solve a lot of problems, but the problem with this country is that everyone wants a fix without having to contribute.

  • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

    They are in addition to this wanting to reduce our holidays by 4-5 days, shorten sick days, freeze the pension, take away our job security.  Not fighting this crap is why tech support is in India.  No one ever had to call over seas when Unions had more power.

    • IceMan711

      Freeze the pensions?  hahaa…….what is a pension?  Your perception of reality is hilarious.

      • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

        My perception of reality is that I have something that others fought for in the past and I would like myself and others to keep.  We seem to be the last few thousand of a group of fighters in this Country.  I would want you to have a pension and would be more than happy to help you fight to keep one if you did.  We aren’t lazy, in fact most of the people I work with are very intelligent skilled workers who strive to do their best in spite of what the company wants to take away.

    • Mick Whelan

      Are you serious?  How may frickin holidays do you get that they can even try and reduce them by 4-5 days?  Seriously, most workers in the REAL world are lucky to have 5-6 total holidays.  I doubt they’re trying to get you to work on Christmas.  It really amazes me the alternate reality that union employees and government workers live in.  In case no one noticed, there’s a RECESSION going on.  You also work in a dinosaur industry (wireline) that is going away.  I’ll bet you have gotten all your scheduled raises and bonuses over the last few years of your contract, right?  Ask NORMAL working people how many raises and bonuses are being given out these days.  Ask NORMAL working people how much they contribute to their health care.  Job security?  I don’t even know what that means.  If you don’t do your job or your company does poorly you lose your job.  That’s the way it works for NORMAL people.  Not Union and gov employees though.  There are hearings and probations and you have to do things based on seniority (not who is a valuable employee).  Is it any wonder American manufacturing has all gone elsewhere?  I hope Verizon realizes that they can do without at least half of all you out of touch winers.  Good luck in the REAL job market.  

      • HeresYourSign

        FiOS != Wireline.

      • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

        We get all of these things because people fought for them in the past.  I seriously wish everyone would take a step back and look at how everyone treats the people who are actually fighting for decent wages and benefits in America.  This attack that is happening is causing the death of the Career, soon all we will have are jobs.  Jobs that come and go and do nothing for us but cause us to worry about when we will lose it.  Why are so many content with this concept of rolling over and taking less because they are told to?

      • Biggles

        You really need to gain some perspective.  There’s a reason that things have trended they way they have, and it’s not simply just greed.  If you suck the lifeblood out of a company, trying to hold on to what is no longer viable for the them to provide you, you’re going to take down that company and lose your job anyway.  You need to realize that job security from a contract is a farce.  No contract in the world will protect you if the company goes under, or has to restructure under default.  Your job security should come from being the best that you can be at what you do so that you can contribute to bettering the company.  Otherwise, what you’re fighting for is a house of cards.

      • Anonymous

        Oh boy yes! Lets keep completely giving into this “reality” everyone on here keeps talking about. Lets go back to working 20 out of 24 hours and buying all of our products at the company store. Make sure you don’t piss off the boss or he will fire you and you will lose your $.28. I think we should go back to the way things were in 1900 because shit was so much better back then! Heaven forbid people get a livable wage, healthcare, days off and time to themselves. Fuck no, they should be made to work everyday of the week without breaks and no food or rest either! And we should have to bow and curtsies to anyone who has more money then we do too. Might as well go back and start granting titles of nobility while your at it. Because screw it who needs benefits, or healthcare or a livable wage. Lets all just keep giving it away until there is nothing left and we live in the slums like the do in the more “profitable” areas of the world.

  • SheriffBart

    Worthless labor unions condoning lazy behavior is to blame.  Let them stay on strike.  These strikers have been drinking too much union koolaid.

    • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

      I am a unionized Verizon employee and work extremely hard, I see many others do the same.  There are lazy people in any job that is to be expected.  You mean to tell me you would be happy to see 45,000 people lose money and benefits just because you don’t have them?  I would gladly share what I have with the people who need it, not corporate executives.

      • Anonymous

        Yes of course they would. “I don’t have benefits, nor do I have a pension so why the hell should you have one!” Is the basic response I always get. I’ve been unionized for 5 years. I work my ass off, I pay into the system every day and I deserve the benefits that were promised me. As do all Union employees.

      • Biggles

        The difference is that under non-union practices, being lazy will get you fired at worst, or zero pay raise at best.  It’s the lazy folks that are hurting your cause as they’re seemingly protected by guaranteed benefits and a ridiculous amount of red tape to be reprimanded.  Perhaps your union should focus more energy on cleaning house by streamlining these type of things.

  • Anonymous

    The ire and jealousy directed at union members is absolutely hysterical.  Americans are deeply engaged in an all out race to the bottom – is that really what makes America so great?  There are call centers in India because those workers are more than willing to be paid less than US minimum wage.  There’s nothing stopping outsourcing except an overall degradation of the American lifestyle to the point where we all live like citizens of developing countries.  That’s so obvious that it’s mystifying how anybody can think otherwise.

    • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

      I really like the quote about racing to the bottom.  I wish others would just see how this jealousy is really what makes the US decline like it does.  Instead of being happy for the people who have something, so many others are angry and call them entitled.  We aren’t entitled, we just fight for fairness, like I wish everyone would.  The workers aren’t broken, the healthcare system is broken.  My first daughter was born with CP and her first 5 weeks of life cost $300,000.  If I didn’t have these benefits we fought for in the past I would not have a house a car or even food in spite of having a decent job.  Don’t hate us, fight with us please!

  • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

    I don’t understand why any other human being would want to see another lose anything.  You would not need to be mad at me for what I have if everyone fought for what is fair.  Why is the mentality on these blogs so angry towards the people who have good jobs, If we give up this time what will they take next time and the time after that?  I love my job and I work hard, I would never want to see you lose what you might have at your jobs.  I really appreciate the support here.

    • Biggles

      Because the union system is abused time and again, and the protected benefits under contract are not only unequitable with non-union practices, they’re simply stealing from us to give to you.  I’m not jealous.  You simply need to share the responsibility with the rest of the working world and stop living in the past.  There are many factors that have lead to increased costs of living across the board and simply expecting your company to provide for you when it’s time to retire is unrealistic.  It cannot be sustained because the increased lifespan basically means you would get far more over your retirement than you ever contributed.  See Social Security.  These folks are getting $100 over their retirement for every $10 they put in over their careers.  Sooner or later it will implode.

      • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

        I agree with you that Unions can strangle a company, but here we are talking about a company and a technology that is no where near its death.  FiOS has been turning a profit for quite some time now and is becoming more relevant every day.  Unions have problems but companies who suck money from their employees just to inflate revenue to please greedy shareholders and CEO’s have more problems.  If we all fought a little to get slightly what we deserve rather than “what the other guy has” we would be better off.  You said it yourself Pension and Social Security is what us broken not the guys fighting for it.  Just because Pension might be unrealistic doesn’t mean we should lose that midstream in our employment.  We came into this job with the explanation we have that benefit, along with many others.  It is just a bait and switch tactic. 

  • Anonymous

    Is that the best looking building Verizon has to offer?>

  • Kimera

    Unions are worthless.  The take your money and then when it’s time for them to take action….nothing happens.

  • Srm

    I work on the wireless side. The landlines side is just being greedy. We have full benefits and our copays are not that expensive. We actually had a slight rate increase. That being said most of our copays are 30 or less. The landline people need to get over it.

    • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

      You don’t for once wish you had a Union that would help fight for you to not have higher copays and fully paid benefits?  Why should everyone be brought down to the least common denominator.  If you got more from Verizon in your position I would be applauding you not wishing you had to pay more.  How does fighting for what we have make us greedy?  I am not trying to incite a riot here I just want to know where all this hatred is coming from not just from you but from everyone who wants to see us burn for expecting what we deserve, has America become so self serving we would rather see others fail than ourselves succeed?

      • Paco

        If they wanted a union, don’t you think they would have already unionized? Clearly, the wireless side is doing just fine without one, and you would be too. The reason people don’t like unions is because the unions of today are not the same as the ones that truly fought for basic human rights back in the turn of the last century. Todays unions exist to propagate todays unions.

      • Anonymous

        I work on the wireless side as well and I can tell you no one here would want to unionize given the choice. The landline side has failed to be profitable but yet you guy want to keep bleeding the company dry. If it wasn’t for the wireless division keeping you afloat, half you guys would be laid off by now. Be thankful you still have jobs in this economy … for now ….

        PS. I have worked with many on the landline side and usually get what one would expect from unionized labor….. just saying.

  • Dako1405

    Verizon is still in business because of wireless not wireline, wireless has been bailing them out forever. Verizon employees need to go back to work instead of protesting in front of Verizon Wireless stores.

    • mtw38

      Landline Union workers should realize that by protesting in front of wireless stores they are hurting only other verizon employees—-esp since those wireless sales reps are commission based—-you protesting just goes to show wireless employees why they have fought against unions as long as they have—im not saying dont fight for what you believe in just do it somewhere else like in front of your stores or buildings

    • Anonymous

      Does no one else see they are deliberately not negotiating so they have a reason to shut down the wired side. Forget the union, jump ship and get your resumes up asap.

  • Anonymous

    The fact is whether you like it or not every employee is going to have to pay more out of pocket for health care….or we could really fix the health care system…for real.

  • Mt112000

    Look guys, Verizon Wireless might be the one making more money but who do you think builds that network and runs all the Fiber Optics and maintains it. How does one that has been there let say 20 years adjust to what Verizon has proposed for bargaining. How does one explain 256 MILLION DOLLARS paid to the top 5 Executives over the last 4 years. And who are the ones maintaining the copper and Fios network? The bottom line is that Verizon Wireless and Verizon Wireline are the same company. Verizon is just seperated for all the legal matters and money benefits. Its just an easier way of moving money around to their convenience. We are not lazy and everyone is so easy to say get rid of them. Ill bet more than half of you saying that would not even be able to gaff the pole 20 feet as is required by the company. Let alone work in the rain and heat being in attics and crawls. Its one thing to say something, its another to be able to do it!!! CWA All The Way

    • Supadave422

      Not to be a jerk but Verizon Wireless is a separate entity because Vodafone owns 45% of it, However you are right about the important role that Verizon plays in their landlines supporting Verizon Wireless’s network it’s amazing that some people still think cell phones work off satalites I have to explain to people all the time that they work like a cordless phone on a larger scale.

    • http://twitter.com/evanturk Evan Turk

      Without the wireline side wireless is a lot of towers that connect to nothing.  This Fiber to the Cell push has been huge to get things ready for 4G and just like anything else, it breaks….daily.

  • Anonymous

    Good!  I fucking HATE Verizon..  :)

    All the best to everyone that is on it…

  • Hateyou

    My office internet connection has been down since Thursday morning and we are crippled because of this.  There were 3 days to repair the problem before the strike and yet no tech came out.  I hope all of these Verizon employees get cancer and that thier children get AIDS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5SFD6KPU5YRVLISL2J6IOMX2FI Dennis Sargent

    I paid $22.85 for an iPhone 4-32GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $674 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, CentHub.com

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