How much did ‘Locationgate’ cost Apple? Less than $1,000

Actually, when copy-and-paste did come out, it was the best implementation that I’ve used.

 It still is, plus more cross functional between apps than any other copy paste out there.  They aren’t always first, but they are the best at implementing things.  As far as the “they litigate instead of innovate” comment, way to use HTC’s whine about them, except they did innovate and HTC, Samsung etc., feel it’s ok to copy ripoff instead of innovate.  It’s pretty bad when you are taking whole form factors, you call that innovation?

I actually agree with you, the implementation is hands down the best touch copy paste I’ve ever used, but there’s not a very good argument for why it was worth the wait. Copy paste has been in phones with click-wheels for a while and it worked. 

(Again, Americans love pretending like the iPhone was the first smartphone or that it had all the features it had now when it came out.)

The fact of the matter is, there are now 8 companies competing for who can create the best implementation of copy paste and everything else.

There was a period were Apple was clearly beating everyone. They could drop the “thinnest phone” and keep that title for a year, even with competition. I consider that the innovation head start that Apple had. It’s going away. When the Evo 4G beat Apple to the punch with a front facing camera and 4G, IMO, it was the death knell for Apple’s dominance. Now tell me they’re still doing well, but remember the iPod? Apple had Windows like marketshare or at least mindshare in the smartphone market. People didn’t think and still think Android can’t win. But the fact that it is throws out the arguments supporting that opinion.

They just don’t anymore. Everyone else is right about the >3.5″ screen. People actually like it, judging by the fact that they’re buying phones with larger screens. Apple is still not interested.

@18core:disqus , since you’re not the person suing HTC (this is not your original thought), can you show me an HTC phone and maybe point out how they obviously copy an iPhone form factor and not the age old PDA form factor seen in things dating back the Palm V? 
Like you shouldn’t need to look at any patents or anything, you should be able to generally explain it to me?  Or maybe use my favorite “iPhone knock off”… the Droid Charge….

The Evo 4G did not beat the iphone to a front facing cam…the iphone did not install them just as they saw the Evo having it..that is silly. That said the SGS had a front facing cam before and even before that the International Touch Pro 2 had a front facing cam. (There might have been devices before that too but just giving some examples)
As for why Apple is suing..its simple..Apple is bound to loose eventually and when they do it will be hard to recover. I am not being anti-Apple here..but 1 company cannot beat every tech company in the world. As long as manufacturers keep dishing out products Apple will loose out on the “quantity”/”price” game…

By suing they wish to attempt to prolong the eventual outcome.

Never said that, but things like a front facing camera should have been one of the things they were working on from the beginning. Apple didn’t feel any urgency to put in things, because they got cocky. They thought they could wait it out and have all the time in the world to launch one product a year.

My point is more about Apple’s head start should have lasted longer, if they’re the true visionaries everyone says they are, but obviously they’re just one tech company. Their head start was because they had no competition not because they make the best products. As soon as players like HTC stepped in the game, they started to beat Apple to milestones, that Apple with it’s tons of cash and approach to locking down hardware supply sources couldn’t beat.

This is not the iPod vs. Zune/iRiver/Creative and friends, this is an even battle that Apple got a head start to and didn’t maintain.

I don’t think front facing camera is really a good example…carriers in USA opted out of the Front Facing camera all the time, The TP2, the SGS and other phones all had their front facing cameras removed at carriers request. The iphone did wifi only facetime due to carriers not wanting the video chat  bandwidth. Sprint said OK because of the 4G and Verizon followed suit on the Droid X. (even though they still removed it from the Fascinate)..It was just that kind of market.

HTC was in the game a long time, they gave life to winmo and killed winmo..mostly due to buying budget hardware. I don’t blame them as back then they were a small company so it was harder to negotiate deals..but even today they still seem to skimp out on components here and there.

Apple got a lot of traction from their ipod business, and by pressuring the carrier to give up monthly earnings they were able to bring the phone cost down to 200$ despite the high margin of profit they take for themselves.

But again if Apple releases 1 product a year, the competition has a chance to release a product before Apple does and then improve upon it and release another one right after. Not to mention with large amount of manufacturers its not a matter of “if” but a matter of “when”. Hence why Apple is attempting to use litigation in their favor..the longer they can prolong it, the better it is for them.

Hey nice one douchebag!  You are almost as creative and original as your lover Papi.  Keep the hits rolling, super stuff!

My spidey sense is wondering if you know what you are talking about. If Im reading your comment correctly you seem to be assuming he is talking about the tracking issue. The antenna issue that he referenced  was a reception issue which would have nothing to do with tinfoil hat wearing paranoid people. I dont think they would be fine with dropping calls no matter how much they read on the situation. but hey what do I know.

I think he was referring to the location-issue, as that’s what the article is about. Even so, with regards to the antennae issue, for the majority of people it wasn’t as big of an issue as the media made it out to be. I never had any problems unless I had really weak signal. 

If it really was such a big deal, why do people keep buying it and not returning it?

No Mr Meesseman, they had 2 options, samsung or apple device, both for 1 PLN price (+ contract), and upon calling me for an advice (I told them about reception issue), they decided & signed up for samsung devices, there you go.

U mad?

No crotch or cum comments?  That’s a first for you and your lover Papi.  You must have copied this post from someone else, like Android copies from Apple.