Microsoft answers questions on Windows Phone tracking amid iPhone scandal

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Might as well let other major mobile operating system manufacturers in on the location-tracking scandal fun, no? While Apple, and to a much lesser extent Google, have come under fire for their phone location storage practices, other major OS manufacturers have been silent. We’re not sure being the “squeaky wheel” would pay dividends in this instance. That hasn’t stopped the media from asking, however, and CNET posed the question to Microsoft: what do you track?

“Microsoft says its operating system transmits the MAC address of the Wi-Fi access point (but not the name), signal strength, a randomly generated unique device ID retained for an unspecified limited period of time, and, if GPS is turned on, the precise location and direction and speed of travel,” writes CNET. “That happens when the ‘application or user makes a request for location information,’ the company says.”

CNET has a laundry list of questions for Microsoft that remain unanswered. The current location brouhaha now has the attention of the courts and some distinguished members of the United States Congress — so we’re betting most major mobile operating system manufacturers will be answering questions in an official capacity in the near future.

[Via WPCentral]

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31 Comments
  • Anonymous

    So Microsoft is collecting location data as well?
    It’s not that I’m surprised, or that I really care, but this whole location debacle isn’t going away any time soon, huh?

    • Anonymous

      i think its hilarious how people are all of a sudden realizing this but everyone has been saying it. Google is one of the governments leading suppliers of info and location on individuals. Apple, Microsoft use Googles software for many things…everyone has GPS or some location based device on their person…are you guys really surprised, the tabs have been placed on you a long long time ago.

    • OnlyTheTruth

      Unfortunately, cnet’s author is misleading everyone.

      Microsoft has a product called Streets and Trips and MapPoint. In these programs or as a plugin, there was a service where if you go to known wi-fi spots, you could press a button to learn your location and it would send the id of the wi-fi spot and by using that id Microsoft’s servers would send back your location.

      There is really nothing else in the article. Based on the article Microsoft is not collecting your location data. The author is simply speculating and trying to mislead you.

      Read the article carefully again and you will see that he tries to muddy the topic.

  • http://twitter.com/rogerdodgerTM rogerdodgerTM

    OPS.

    • Anonymous

      No, denial is pretty powerful.

    • Anonymous

      Apple does collect data. They say so in their TOS. Twice a day, supposedly anonymous.

      This data is not necessarily the same as the .db file everyone is freaking out over. As far as has been proven, that is a locally stored cache that stays local. It appears to be designed to expedite finding your current location, and is system-wide and unencrypted so that third-party apps can also benefit. This would be fine if the cache auto-trimmed after a few days, but it clearly doesn’t – thus the problem. Still, it’s more creepy than dangerous, since to gain access to the file you’d have to be on the phone or computer, which would also mean you’d have access to all other sorts of sensitive information.

  • Anonymous

    you know for sure google tracks, they were hit with tracking scandals before, US congress might act like they care, but they really wanna know is how they can get in on tracking everyone in the world too.

    • Anonymous

      The gov’t doesn’t care because they’re in on it.

  • Supra984

    I guess the devices would have to collection location information in order for any GPS related app to work. It’s laughable how much concern has come of all of this given how much our behavior is tracked online and how Foursquare and Facebook check-in have become tools used often.

    With any advance in technology you’re gonna have to give up some of your privacy if you want to take advantage of benefits.

    If you don’t like being tracked don’t use the technology – but I suppose this is a great opportunity to make waves and court cases.

    We really are a paranoid society. (oh wait – did anyone read this?!?! What will BGR do to me now they have my email to confirm this post?!?! – Head for the hills the woods are burning boys!)

    • Anonymous

      Plus, since the cell carriers already collect and store this information, and will turn it over to the government upon request.

  • http://www.theoutlierblog.com Arron C.

    Way to report half the story. WPCentral has twice the info and even puts it in perspective. This is just sensational blogging.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR6HpRLyzMY Walter Sobchak

      Don’t say perspective! He has been non existent lately. It has been nice not seeing apple’s earnings report 5 times in the comments section of every article.

  • Pavel Bure

    What’s the news for BB users? Just OEM installed “fresh outta the box” software with no third party apps. Does it spy and collect data like iOS and Android?

    How come no mention at all? Where are you Max Moron? Oh…you’re probably hiding in an abandoned missle silo since you’ve been tracked since day one unlike us BB users who are secure. So secure that some governments are threatening to ban us cause they can’t penetrate or hack our secure platform.

  • madiha malik

    you bed for sure google tracks, they were hit with following scandals before, US congress power act equivalent they desire, but they really wanna bed is how they can get in on following everyone in the mankind too.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR6HpRLyzMY Walter Sobchak

      What?

  • snowman888

    What’s the big deal, they do it in movies all the time…

  • Bateman

    Did Microsoft ask you if you wanted your Windows Phone to collect the location data of your WiFi modem and then transmit it to a database for public viewing?

    No.

    Well, maybe it is written in line 253 of the Windows Phone license agreement that Microsoft will do this, but they don’t make it apparent.

  • Anonymous

    I see a whole slew of speculative comments piling up. Perhaps, we should wait for more information before making a judgment call?

    It is obvious that any location service, whether it is with Apple, Google or MS, will require location data collection. I know it sounds shocking, but it is the case, your phone doesn’t miraculously produce the right results (although, I heard, fairies and unicorns help iPhone users). The question is whether an OS collects data when you didn’t ask for any location service to be activated. So far, it certainly seems like iOSis the only one that secretly spies on you. Thanks, Steve, for denying this, it was re-assuring.

    • Anonymous

      Well, in the case of the .db file which stores data even when location services are turned off, the question is if this specific data is transmitted to Apple. So far the evidence shows it remains locally on your phone and doesn’t go anywhere; it is not part of the data that Apple does harvest, twice a day.

      To say Apple is spying on you by using the .db file would necessitate the information making its way to Apple.

  • Senor Chang

    Its really pretty much antenna-gate all over again: Something being blown out of proportion.

    The tracking data exists on the iPhone, that’s been proven, but what’s not been proven is that Apple really does anything w/ those files. In reality, it seems more like a ‘programming oversight’ where the device doesn’t eliminate that data and the real vulnerability is if someone does access the data. But as to whether Apple is really doing anything with it currently… I’d be skeptical, or at least not any more suspicious about what others like Google, Yahoo, MS, etc do with the same data.

    MS did issue a denial statement… but again, they are more denying that they do anything with that data, not denying that the data exists. That’s the whole crux of the problem if you ask me: The tracking data exists, people just didn’t realize it, and now here’s the moment of realization that catches up to them and everyone is mad about it.

    To really not believe ANY of these tech companies… from software giants to telecommunications… doesn’t collect data on everyone is absolutely naive.

    • Anonymous

      The problem is people combine the facts that the .db file exists (as a local cache) and that Apple DOES collect some location data (approved by user), even though these facts (apparently) are unrelated.

      As far as the evidence shows, the .db file is not the data Apple collects twice a day; instead it is a local cache to improve location services (i.e. quickly finding your current location).

      But people don’t read, and it’s more sensational to combine the two facts.

  • Anonymous

    WP7 owners wish MS tracked updates so that they could provide more accurate information re: deployment.

  • Martin

    well played BGR. “Microsoft does it too!” take the one company that “isheep” AND “fandroids” can agree to hate and throw it under the bus to deflect the fire from your preeecciioouuss

    • Roguefromnyc

      They told Zach and Andrew they (Steves balls)would send him 5 mythical iPhones in white to find other “reports “saying other corps are doing it too

  • Michale11111

    Scandal? Give me a break.

  • Eludium Q36

    I declare this wide-scope, scandal-in-the-making as “Tracking-gate” !

    • Anonymous

      The suffix “-gate” should be banned.

  • js

    I can think if better things we should be spending our tax dollars on…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, these new smartphone form factors are causing a lot of crap: patents lawsuits, privatization issues, etc.

  • Arebangdu

    So … When people point fingers at Apple, pull everyone else in
    Just Like Apple Antenna problem …

  • KPa

    This whole “scandal” thing is ridiculous. And BGR is coming close to jumping the shark with it. Apple is a big company that can most certainly defend itself, so let them. They don’t need you to stand up for them and frankly they probably couldn’t care less that you do. And we don’t need a new article nearly every day reminding us (your readers) that “we chose to let them do it” (thanks for the reminders Zach), and that other companies do it do.

    BGR… what happened? This site used to be so cool. Lately it seems you’re pandering to Apple and insulting your readers in the process. If this whole “scandal” is as unwarranted as you continue to tell us, then please just stop reporting on it, and let it go. Put your money where your mouth is, otherwise you’re just adding fuel to the same fire that you continually decry.

    Please just Let. It. Go.

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