India demands access to BlackBerry email by March 31st

* no real evidence

BlackBerry encryption works only one work – the documented and mathematically proven secure way. If the Chinese want to read those emails, they’ll have to crack them like everyone else.

Google, on the other hand, has a proven track record of releasing identities and mailboxes to Chinese authorities. If they want your emails they just tell Google, and all your emails and data are belong to them. And every once in a while Google may delete or corrupt your mailbox. But as long as you’re happy with Android, nobody should ever tell you not to be.

Kind of reminds me of Republicans vs Democrats, Wisconsin government fucking over the PUBLIC, Highschool teachers sleeping with their students, catholic priests sleeping with little kids, Rich Americans getting RICHER – POOR are on the street, and im sure you were molested by your daddy.

Well said

No problem with fetuses. They are sold for a high price. Also, pregnancies are also outsourced i.e. parents would send their seeds over there and a mother-for-hire would put them in her womb and hatch them. When the baby is born, it is send back to the biological mother and she can look sexy after six kids.

I do not know about the women’s faces. However I am thankful to their caste system because of which my family abandoned their religion and migrate to the USA.

They can.

there is no other level of access, India is stupid to believe there is one, RIM already complied with BIS by sharing the keys and BES is something which they don’t have

India just doesn’t get it. They don’t understand how the BlackBerry system even works. Imagine standing in front of a large rock and screaming at it to talk. You can be resolute in your demands that it talk, but it just can’t do it. Screaming louder and threatening the rock won’t change things.

Their technical know how is borrowed from the USA as a result of outsourcing of our jobs. If they had their own technology, they would have hacked it.

Dear Todd,

What is it that to you don’t understand. Get off of your arse since you don’t seem to know much about RIM and how BES actually works.

RIM does have master decryption keys in trust. All data flows through RIM’s servers.

Time to read up buddy or you might lose your job to India.

Peace.

yeh say that when some terrorist using BB’s bomb your country…
oh they have not yet…so STFU…you dont know the full situation …so don bother to display your ignorance…

Yes, the request may be legitimate, but they should be going to the various BES admins within their borders. RIM has by now, given India the names of all the BES operators within India’s jurisdiction. All they need to do is go to them and ask.

I highly doubt that “preventing terrorism” ranks even in the top ten reasons of why the Indian authorities want access to BES emails.

It seems more likely that the following sequence happened.

* Indian company A wants to peep on Indian or foreign company B.
* Executives of Indian company A have friends or relatives in the Indian government or bureaucracy.
* BTW, we could pretend that the Indian government or bureaucracy is not chock full of corruption. Or we could just pretend that the folks involved just really get along well together.
* Bureaucrat / government guy instructs fabled Indian mathematicians to crack BlackBerry. Can’t be that hard, right? Everyone knows that Indian mathematicians are smart cookies. Where’s Waterloo, anyway?
* Mathematicians tell bureaucrats it cannot be done.
* Bureaucrats tell mathematicians that they’re wrong, it must be possible. Because their instincts tell them so. And instinct is always right.
* Bureaucrats pull strings, get government involved.
LOOP:
* Government asks RIM to make it happen. RIM says, can’t be done. Go fly a kite.
* Government gets pissed and pouts, resorting to negotiating in public by announcing deadline in global newspapers.
* RIM reads about negotiations in newspapers. Ignores government.
* Government gets more mad. Can’t back down now.
* Deadline passes.
* Government announces that negotiations have been extended. Announces new deadline.
* GOTO LOOP

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Another Pakophobic Indian enjoying an outsourced job at the cost of us Americans, and surfing the net on the cost of American companies. Since Pakophobia does not work so well in the USA, it has to be mixed with Islamophobia to sell it.

You may assume a Christian name but I can smell cow pee.

What I find is governments find the most fear mongering situation they can think of and then come to the people saying “Do this or else this will happen again!!” this has to be one of the oldest tricks and people are so gullible they fall for it every time!!!

Look at the patriot act that got passed in the US after 9/11 majority of the people that passed the bill didn’t even read the damn thing. They were asked later stuff like “Would you ever pass a bill that would allow people to monitor all your communications” they said “of course not that would be stupid” then they showed them the patriot act with their support and signature on it.

It’s always the same thing over and over and piece by piece our freedoms are being exploited and the hand of a government that says they are doing it for the right reasons.

Look at Canada and the tazer law…. We were told that tazers would only be used when a gun could not or should not be used. So in other words if you are in a crowded bar and you cant use your gun because of public safety. So it was more or less explained that if a police officer was to use a tazer then the thought process was to be would I shot my gun in this situation? Canada now has police using a tazer as a compliance tool! Because it’s not deadly its acceptable to draw your tazer from its holster and point it at some one to get them to do what you want…. would you have pulled your gun if you didn’t have a tazer? No you wouldn’t have and thats how it was explained to us.

Don’t get me wrong I get why we need these bills and laws and I really do they do protect to some extent but only by taking away the innocent peoples rights. 90% of the time they are used correctly and for a valid reason. The problem is that the 10% as little as it is is an abuse of the power given to them and every one looses their privacy and rights.

These people have 50 different ways of communicating. The point and implementation of encryption was for one reason, to keep the message secure, to put a back door in this is ridiculous and will now make my communications that are legit and not at all political or terrorist based to be eves dropped on, not acceptable!

Where does the privacy invasion stop? This is a boiling frog syndrome and until we realize that we are being forced to yell when we talk so the government can monitor us and only approved words can be used so we are talking in code, we cannot wear anything but government approved clothes that can be seen through by special cameras to make sure you are not packing a bomb etc… So when is too much? Sorry we can’t wear clothes for security reasons when you fly… well would you rather be a victim of terrorism? give me a break and wake up people our rights 1 by 1 are being plucked away from us and we are not saying a word!

do even understand wtf India is demanding? BES is not under RIM’s control, BES is your corporate email like the outlook/exchange which is hosted in side of a corporate firewall, can microsoft provide the password for your exchange server? the answer is no. RIM already complied with BIS as they shared BIS encryption keys which means they can monitor the consumer traffic like emails and BBM.

That’s because the iPhone isn’t a business tool, it’s a toy.

One can pwn any iPhone ever made – including all those with the whole-device encryption – in 15s with downloadable tools and a physical USB connection. Enough said.

I tell you about the impact on RIM. More and more security-concerned people would rely on RIM now. After the low tech Dubai, now Hi-Tech India has also certified about its security.

From BES connected Blackberrys which is the issue discussed the encryption key is made between the BES and Blackberry upon activation. each side holds a part to allow unencryption of messages. RIM has no means to know what settings my BES is configured for as you can use 3DES or AES along with other options to protect your traffic.

This traffic is passed through our BES to RIM’s NOC encrypted the entire time until it reaches the BB where is is enencrypted. There is no master key. They would need to break 3DES or AES which are not RIM created and global standards for encryption so India wants to crack that.

RIM would need to issue a BES patch to disable / modify these settings and I’m unsure how they would force companies to comply. India can do some to their own businesses (at gunpoint likely) but they have no enforcement on our corporate servers or any other country. Likely they will have to restrict Blackberrys in their country. Good luck with that India.

you are an idiot you don’t know what you are talking about, the BES is hosted inside of your corporate firewall and managed by your BES Admin, the encryption keys are also set by your BES Admin. How the fuck you expect RIM to know the what keys your Admin has set, can Microsoft give you passwords for its servers hosted in your corporate firewall?

BIS is a different animal and those keys are managed by RIM and the carrier and those keys are already complied with the Gov. Indian government is singling out RIM, do they have an answer for VPN access? or activesync?, it is a industry problem rather than RIM’s alone.

They already want this.

LOL. You can hack an iPhone in five seconds, whereas it seems even Indian spy agency RAW is unable to hack Blackberry. Enjoy your being constantly spied by your government, where crook officials would hack your info to wipe out your bank accounts and max out your credit cards etc, in a country where justice is for sale to the biggest bidder.