Windows XP distributor availability extended; Vista still the leper of OSes for some

In an economy riddled with bankruptcies and cost-cutting, i can see why MS would take this route. I doubt it was due to the pressure because MS does not HAVE to do anything. It could’ve easily kept to their first initial statement and no one would’ve been able to do anything about it because people are going to use PCs over Macs by that 9 to 1 ratio all the time anyway.

And the idea that Vista is crappy or buggy is absurd. Yes, people have experienced personal issues with it but who hasn’t with any sort of computer or gadget for that matter? Even mac users have personal experiences that make them never want to use it again so do not think your personal experience is applicable to everyone. Just as Sarusa stated that him and his family/friends reverted back to XP, my friends and I updated to Vista and would not dare look back. It’s a matter of preference and experience so don’t sit here and say XP is better than Vista or anything in that tone for that matter. MS just did a bad marketing job when launching the product that upset a lot of people.

And Windows 7 is not a polished Vista or a Vista SP2. That type of thinking is plain stupid. People always criticized MS for not releasing newer versions of their OS fast enough and now that they take heed it’s like more critism all over again. It’s a completely new OS all its own. That’s like saying a new OSX product is just an SP2 because it came two years after the last one they released. If that was the case then Vista should be XP SP4 then by the simple fact that it came after, correct? Makes no sense

As painful as it is to admit, Your right.

I’d have to agree with Vista’s shortcomings and disagree with those defending Vista – it’s crap. I come from a highly technical background, systems administration etc and have always been a HUGE MS “fanboy”…Couldn’ see the point in other OS’s. I’ve tried, almost desperately to like and use Vista and I just can’t do it. It sucks. I first tried it on my T43 (2Ghz single core, 1.5GB RAM), just slow slow slow…I just replaced that machine with a pimped out T400 with the works, tried Vista initially, a few days later decided to go back to XP…Then the MS advertising WORKED on me, I decided to give Vista yet another try…Been using it for a few weeks now. Today, I couldn’t take it any longer and restore the system to XP again.

Vista pretty much NEVER recovers from sleep mode into any sort of functional state. Usually it will “sort of” work resulting in pretty much always having to hold the power button down to force a shut down, then boot up fresh and try again. It’s just as slow (or fast depending on how you look at it) as XP, ZERO performance gain and in fact I’d argue the system is snappier with XP Pro (again on a decked out T400). Maybe MS was shooting for the end user simplicity of a Mac in the interface but for a geek user like me it’s a pain in the ass, everything I need is completely BURIED in Vista. The constant security warnings, the contacts “program is not responding, close or wait for it to respond” is frustrating as hell when all you did was try to send a freakin email (of course that could be Office 2007 which IMO MS f’d up on too).

Overall, it’s another Millenium…Go back to the drawing board MS; Vista is a pig with lipstick on.

Oh and while on the subject, has anyone noticed that since Win 3.11 performing tasks like, oh I don’t know TURNING THE SYSTEM ON, opening up a word document, etc is no faster yet we’ve gone from 80Mhz machines with 420MB hard drives and 16MB’s of RAM in “badass” Win 3.11 machines to almost almost 3ghz dual core kaptops with 4GB’s of RAM in them and 300+GB 7,200 RPM hard drive and even solid state drives and yet the simplist most basic tasks still take the same amount of time (again, I’m not talking about processing an image, or video or audio etc – I’m talking about getting around the system, the “snappiness” of the system in general).

It would be nice if MS would stop focusing on making the system LOOK cool, do ten billion more things most people never use anyway and instead focus on making use of this rediculously fast hardware we have now and make the damn thing FASTER! PLEASE PLEASE! MAKE IT FASTER ALREADY!!!!

Push the power button from a cold boot and 5 seconds later sending an email? Anyone interested? I am…Would be nice…but instead they utilize the hardware to make idiots think it’s a cool system with BS like “Aero”…

Grrr…

Hi Scott

["Vista pretty much NEVER recovers from sleep mode into any sort of functional state. Usually it will “sort of” work resulting in pretty much always having to hold the power button down to force a shut down, then boot up fresh and try again"]

The problem must be yours then, all 26 Vista machines (HP’s,Dell’s and no name)simply wake up from sleep mode by shaking the mouse and although the normal “Shut Down” takes 3 or so minutes we never have to hold the power button to effect a shutdown.

[“everything I need is completely BURIED in Vista. The constant security warnings, the contacts “program is not responding, close or wait for it to respond” is frustrating as hell when all you did was try to send a freakin email”}

You have a desktop, put some folders on it and put your “Burried” program icons there, works great, The security warnings are the fault of users whining about more security in XP, M$ gave it to you and now you whine about too much security, if you dont like the security warnings then TURN THEM OFF but dont complain about something you have control over. “close and wait for it to respond” was an XP trait, at least with Vista it is not necessary to reboot daily to get it back up to speed or the dreaded twice annual reformat that XP required, we have only reformatted one of our 26 Vista machines and constant reboots are not necessary.

If you are so “Type A” that you cant wait for 45 or so seconds for you machine to boot up maybe you should look into burning your OS into ROM, it would load faster, I dont have to wait, we dont turn any of our 26 Vista machines off.

You like Vista…good for you…In my professional opinion it’s crap.

Don’t you mean personal opinion Scott? lol

“Don’t you mean personal opinion Scott? lol”

No I don’t actually…I’ve been in the business, systems administration etc for well over a decade and in my “professional” opinion I wouldn’t put Vista on a work place desktop -PERIOD. It’s not stable, it’s not reliable and it’s definetley not fast. I would have to hire another 2 helpdesk people just to manage the user issues if I did. I’ve tried it on several platforms (not just my personal ones as mentioned previously) and it just is pure crap. It freezes and does the “not responding” thing CONSTANTLY. It refuses to wake up from sleep mode properly on laptops . . . It’s crap. Anyone putting Vista on work place desktops in my “professional opinion” is asking for headaches.

By the way, as I said before I was one of the biggest MS fanboy’s before Vista, couldn’t stand other OS’s, thought MS was the only REALY OS…Then Vista came along – MS screwed the pooch and they know it, pure and simple.

Well I’ve never experienced any of these issues Scott so I shall remain a loyal fan. I guess personal experiences can account for our varying views. I love Vista and everything about it.